From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl  Fri Mar  8 09:59:13 2002
From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:59:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Conference Announcement (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203080956570.32097-100000@semuramat.camk.edu.pl>

An important topic!


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From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 25 16:41:53 2002
From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:41:53 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <200203251359.OAA25475@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251638410.12670-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl>

Hi again Andrzej,

: Yes, it's on http://www.ras.org.uk/press/pn02-06.htm and this is IMO
: absolutely OK (whoever stands behind RAS). This is IMHO *not* making
: propaganda - I'm sure that there are members of RAS among those 27 people
: listed in the masthead of the MNRAS article so RAS has a right to "be
: proud" of them and their publication in RAS's own journal and so RAS has a
: right to issue a press release on *their* website. By the same token we
: we have a right prepare press releases on ours.

I agree that it's more or less OK and that the RAS certainly has a
right to publicise the results from MNRAS articles.

However, although they do not *state* that they have the first
non-SNe-Ia evidence for a non-zero cosmo constant, their omission of
any reference to totally independent results, such as our own, but
also others (e.g. weak grav lensing), makes it easy for the non-expert
(and/or non-alert) reader to falsely conclude that it *is* the first.

Instead of:

> ... and many
> have been reluctant to accept the
> results of the supernovae teams.
>
> Now, a team of 27 astronomers led by
> Professor George Efstathiou of the
> University of Cambridge has published
> strong evidence for the existence of
> dark energy using an entirely different
> technique. They used the clustering...

there should have been something like

< ... and many
< have been reluctant to accept the
< results of the supernovae teams.
<
< However, several teams from around the world
< have published strong evidence for the
< existence of dark energy using entirely different techniques.
<
< One of these is a team of 27 astronomers led by
< Professor George Efstathiou of the
< University of Cambridge. They used the clustering...

Wouldn't this have been more honest?


: This is IMHO *not* making
: propaganda

Edward Bernays is to the public relations industry something like what
Einstein, de Sitter, Friedmann, Lemaitre, et al are to modern
cosmology. Bernays' basic 1928 book on the subject was called "Propaganda".

http://www.authentic-breathing.com/propaganda_in_a_democracy.htm

> When Edward Bernays, proclaimed by many as the father of public
> relations, published his book Propaganda in 1928, few people realized
> the far reaching influence that the new discipline of public relations
> would have on society. Propaganda, Bernays claims, is not something
> pernicious that one government or group inflicts on another, but is
> rather an integral part of democracy itself.
...

> Of course, one could easily say that we in the west are better off
> than people living in communist countries or under dictatorships,
> because their propaganda is far more rigid and insidious than our
> own. This argument is a misleading one, however, for the simple reason
> that their propaganda is more visible and easier to perceive than our
> own. By its very nature, a democratic society offers so many choices
> to its citizens that we would have neither the time nor the energy to
> narrow them down without a whole industry of communications
> professionals dedicated to just that. Our propagandists do not use
> rope, barbed wire, mental hospitals, and the militia to make their
> point; no-they use the latest communication techniques disseminated
> through the print and electronic media in the guise of ?giving us what
> we really want.?
>
> What is truly pernicious about much of the propaganda that surrounds
> us in the west is the very ?reasonableness? of it-the way in which we
> are taught to believe that it somehow represents our real needs. For
> the goal of a propagandist-no matter what his or her stripe-is to make
> a sale of some kind by seeking to convince us that they understand our
> inner or outer needs and goals and are responding to them. In this
> regard, a newspaper editor or TV anchorman trying to tell the news in
> a way that will attract readers or watchers is no better or worse than
> a public relations professional attempting to improve the public?s
> perception of a company or product.

And here are google's favorite sites on the keywords "advertising
propaganda":

http://www.sonic.net/~gic/articles/adv.html

> Advertising is propaganda whose purpose is to develop allegiance to a
> product or corporation instead of a government.

http://members.aol.com/MrDonnUnits/Propaganda.html

> The word propaganda refers to any technique that attempts to influence
> the opinions, emotions, attitudes, or behavior of a group, in order to
> benefit the sponsor. The purpose of propaganda is to persuade. That
> pretty much takes in the entire advertising community, since that is
> their job.


You had some other comments:

> Why spaceflightnow.com reposts RAS PRs? - is a good question.

Ah well, I think that's way beyond the scope of what I have time to
study quantitatively. But my guess is that it's related to
propaganda/advertising in the West in general:

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9710-mainstream-media.html

> Would spaceflightnow.com repost TCfA PRs? - is even a better question. :-)

Well, I don't know about spaceflightnow.com in particular, but since
our research work does not directly threaten any large authoritarian
corporations or authoritarian governments or democratic governments,
except indirectly because it shows that people in a non-US/UK country
do good science, I think that if one or more people were willing to
spend the time talking to journalists and explaining stuff to them,
e.g. via cosmo-media, then there's actually a fairly good chance they
would publish stuff.

E.g., you would be most welcome to use cosmo-media to prepare a press
release on your young radio galaxy results. You could prepare a draft
on the list - and do both po polsku and English versions, but ask
journalists to wait until the article is accepted before they use the
press release. But it would be a good idea to ask a journalist to
work through it with you - and IMHO it would require work... It takes
time and thought to explain things to non-astronomers - or even to
astronomers ;) ...

One idea for reducing the amount of work and making sure the article
is easily understandable - and for getting publicity to people who
really *do* want to know what we're doing, who do *not* just want to
blindly learn how to repeat words and sentences which are useful for
making polite conversation and sounding educated - would be to invite
readers of the Usenet group:

http://groups.google.com.pl/groups?hl=pl&group=pl.sci.kosmos

to comment and criticise and draft versions of the press release.

A question to be debated would be whether we want Usenet readers to
subscribe and/or post to cosmo-media or to keep the discussion to
pl.sci.kosmos. My preference would be the latter.


Cze��
Boud



 


From amr w astro.uni.torun.pl  Tue Mar 26 10:14:08 2002
From: amr w astro.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Marecki)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:14:08 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251638410.12670-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl> from Boud Roukema at "Mar 25, 2002 04:41:53 pm"
Message-ID: <200203260914.KAA29630@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>

> Instead of:
> 
> > ... and many
> > have been reluctant to accept the
> > results of the supernovae teams.
> >
> > Now, a team of 27 astronomers led by
> > Professor George Efstathiou of the
> > University of Cambridge has published
> > strong evidence for the existence of
> > dark energy using an entirely different
> > technique. They used the clustering...
> 
> there should have been something like
> 
> < ... and many
> < have been reluctant to accept the
> < results of the supernovae teams.
> <
> < However, several teams from around the world
> < have published strong evidence for the
> < existence of dark energy using entirely different techniques.
> <
> < One of these is a team of 27 astronomers led by
> < Professor George Efstathiou of the
> < University of Cambridge. They used the clustering...
> 
> Wouldn't this have been more honest?

YES, IT CERTAINLY WOULD!!!

But...

although I have no interest in defending RAS I think it is always  
honest to tend to narrow down the responsibility to particular persons.
In this case the person to blame is the *referee* who allowed the 
authors to ommit the reference(s) to other groups work. 

Now the good question emerges: who on Earth wrote that $&%@ PR??!!!
The authors of the original paper themselves?

[...]

> Well, I don't know about spaceflightnow.com in particular, but since
> our research work does not directly threaten any large authoritarian
> corporations or authoritarian governments or democratic governments,
> except indirectly because it shows that people in a non-US/UK country
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> do good science, I think that if one or more people were willing to
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> spend the time talking to journalists and explaining stuff to them,
> e.g. via cosmo-media, then there's actually a fairly good chance they
> would publish stuff.

IMO the best way to show that is... to publish in US/UK journals.
If Roukema, Mamon & Bajtlik paper were published in MNRAS and not in 
A&A then maybe... ;-)

But OK, you're right, we have to talk to journalists and explain things to
them. Preferably we have to talk to US/UK journalists... Because if we
talk e.g. to Polish journalists then there is hardly any impact. Example:
recently Udalski et al. discovered a few dozens of extraterrestrial plants
in "one go". There was a large (front page) coverage of this discovery in
the largest Polish daily newspaper. Now how about spaceflightnow.com et al.?
NOTHING! So maybe there *is* an Anglo-American mafia censorship. But
maybe not. If only Udalski et al. published in ApJ or MNRAS and not in
Acta Astronomica.... :-)

--
Andrzej
 


From amr w astro.uni.torun.pl  Tue Mar 26 13:33:56 2002
From: amr w astro.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Marecki)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:33:56 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251326200.12243-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl> from Boud Roukema at "Mar 25, 2002 02:23:45 pm"
Message-ID: <200203261233.NAA01058@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>

> So... could you please create the following list, with a configuration
> similar to the others (no access restrictions):

Done!
And hope I haven't forgotten about anything setting up this list ;-).

A.
 


From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl  Fri Mar 29 16:03:28 2002
From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:03:28 +0100 (MET)
Subject: OCRA - mass function of haloes
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203291557310.15920-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl>

Hi everyone,
   Inoue & Nagashima have a paper

http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0110503

about the mass function of dark matter haloes, in other words, the
frequency of how many objects of different masses (high or low) form
at a given epoch during the collapse of matter due to gravity.

I think this could be an important paper for modelling what statistical
constraints on Omega_m & Omega_Lambda (or eventually  w_Q) could be
obtained from OCRA.

Boud

 


From motylek w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 11 15:25:52 2002
From: motylek w astro.uni.torun.pl (Marcin Gawronski)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:25:52 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Wiesci Jodrell Bank
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203111512150.15775-100000@newton.astro.uni.torun.pl>


 Hello ..

 Przyjade na Wielkanoc do Polski i bede przez pewien czas w Toruniu.
W zwiazku z tym chcialbym Wam opowiedziec o mojej pracy w Jodrell, ktora
dotyczy ewolucji kosmologicznej AGN'ow. Chcialbym przedstawic  swoje
pierwsze wyniki i omowic obecne problemy w tym temacie. Udalo mi sie tez
zbudowac model nieba radiowego na czestosci 30 GHz, czyli to co
powinnismy widziec za pomoca OCRY.

W Toruniu bede obecny przez tydzien tuz przed Swietami..

cheers

MPG

 


From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl  Thu Mar 21 16:24:13 2002
From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:24:13 +0100 (MET)
Subject: European Pdoc? (M Curie-Skl)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203211622040.8810-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl>

Questionnaire for research institutions in Poland interested to host
Marie Curie-Sk�odowska postdoctoral fellowships

to be sent to ph3 w npk.gov.pl

Institution: Uniwersytet Mikolaja Kopernika
Institute: Toru� Centre for Astronomy
Address: ul. Gagarina, 11, PL-87-100, Toru�
Homepage: http://www.astro.uni.torun.pl/sympa/
Contact person: Dr Boud Roukema
Phone/fax: +48 56 611 3039/+48 56 611 3009
Email: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl
Research field: observational cosmology
Working languages: English, French, Polish

Description of research topic/subject:

The postdoctoral fellow would be expected to carry out original,
independent research in any field of observational cosmology, and to
stimulate discussion of observational cosmology among faculty and
students. Fields presently being developed or likely to be developed
at the Toru� Centre for Astronomy include constraints on local
cosmological parameters such as the matter density parameter, the
cosmological constant and the effective quintessence parameter, using
public archival data; attempts to measure global parameters via
topological lensing, using radio-loud AGNs, clusters and the cosmic
microwave background; and galaxy formation and evolution. Candidates
in other fields of observational cosmology are welcome to apply:
excellence and originality of research will be the primary criteria
for making a selection.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cut here <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[Comment to cosmo-torun group: This is an administrative request to
see if we can get some money for a European postdoc. Andrzej M,
Andrzej K and I thought it best to keep the subject open to any theme
in observational cosmology. I think we have till Monday before Wydzia�
Fizyka meets to discuss the proposals, so please make any comments,
criticisms, complaints, suggestions quickly!]

 


From amr w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 25 10:47:30 2002
From: amr w astro.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Marecki)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:47:30 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
Message-ID: <200203250947.KAA23316@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>

----- Forwarded message from NewsAlert -----

                NEWSALERT: Friday, March 22, 2002 @ 1504 GMT
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
           The latest news from Astronomy Now and Spaceflight Now

[...]

NEW EVIDENCE: EXPANSION OF UNIVERSE IS ACCELERATING
---------------------------------------------------
A team of UK and Australian astronomers has discovered new, independent
evidence that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. Their findings
have just appeared in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

A team of 27 astronomers led by Professor George Efstathiou of
the University of Cambridge has published strong evidence for the
existence of dark energy using an entirely different technique.

Their results show that the universe is full of dark energy, completely
consistent with the earlier supernovae results. "Dark energy appears to
exist and to dominate over more conventional types of matter" says
Professor Efstathiou. "An explanation of the dark energy may involve
String Theory, extra dimensions or even what happened before the Big Bang.
At present nobody knows. The ball is now firmly in the theorists court."

    http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0203/22expansion/

[...]

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From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 25 12:09:13 2002
From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:09:13 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <200203250947.KAA23316@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251147290.12126-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl>

Cze�� wszysce,

> NEW EVIDENCE: EXPANSION OF UNIVERSE IS ACCELERATING
> ---------------------------------------------------
> A team of UK and Australian astronomers has discovered new, independent
> evidence that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. Their findings
> have just appeared in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
>
> A team of 27 astronomers led by Professor George Efstathiou of
> the University of Cambridge has published strong evidence for the
> existence of dark energy using an entirely different technique.
>
> Their results show that the universe is full of dark energy, completely
> consistent with the earlier supernovae results. "Dark energy appears to
> exist and to dominate over more conventional types of matter" says
> Professor Efstathiou. "An explanation of the dark energy may involve
> String Theory, extra dimensions or even what happened before the Big Bang.
> At present nobody knows. The ball is now firmly in the theorists court."
>
>     http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0203/22expansion/

You're right Andrzej, the 2dF galaxy z survey people invest pretty
heavily in propaganda about rather modest results! But they need to
justify their funding under the Rupert Murdoch/IMF/WTO/WB
media/political regime which opposes rational discussion and
balanced publication of empirical data... So we can't really blame
them for struggling for survival!  And nothing seems to be incorrect
in the RAS news release, it is just misleading by omission - which
is a perfectly standard method of propaganda in democracies.
(See http://www.medialens.org or http://www.mwaw.org  for media
criticism from the heart of what's left of Her Majesty's Empire.)

Anyways, here's the article:
http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0109152
"Evidence for a non-zero Lambda and a low matter density from a
combined analysis of the 2dF Galaxy Redshift Survey and Cosmic
Microwave Background Anisotropies"

They don't even bother to cite the paper based on the 2dF *quasar* z
survey, posted three months earlier:

http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0106135

which has evidence for a non-zero Lambda and a low matter density from
analysis of a *single* survey, the 2QZ-10K early release.

Gary Mamon thinks we should spend some time in making propaganda,
sorry, "media relations", for our result, but I think it's better to
concentrate on getting new results which cannot be ignored. ;)
And then the best way for a propaganda campaign, sorry, for public
relations, will be to release a GNU/Linux self-contained easy-to-compile
and run software package which any cosmologist can easily run for
herself and be convinced of the results...

BTW, Efstathiou et al. use maximum likelihood, which means, if I
understand it correctly, that they really only show that a non-zero
Lambda, low Omega_m model is *more* likely than other models, they
don't reject a zero-Lambda model.

In contrast, we use absolute probabilities of null hypothesis rejection,
so we *do* reject the zero-Lambda model and high matter density models.

Pozdrawiam
Boud

 


From amr w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 25 12:40:51 2002
From: amr w astro.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Marecki)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:40:51 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251147290.12126-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl> from Boud Roukema at "Mar 25, 2002 12:09:13 pm"
Message-ID: <200203251140.MAA24299@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>

> But they need to
> justify their funding under the Rupert Murdoch/IMF/WTO/WB
> media/political regime which opposes rational discussion and
> balanced publication of empirical data... So we can't really blame
> them for struggling for survival!  And nothing seems to be incorrect
> in the RAS news release, 

Just to clarify this: what I disseminated was the part of
spacefightnow.com service which is owned by Pole Star Publications Ltd.
and (apparently) *they*, not RAS, are responsible for making that
propaganda (or "propaganda"). I have no idea whether PSP is a part of
Rupert Murdoch/IMF/WTO/WB imperium as well I have no idea whether RAS is.

A.M.

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From amr w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 25 12:50:39 2002
From: amr w astro.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Marecki)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:50:39 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251147290.12126-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl> from Boud Roukema at "Mar 25, 2002 12:09:13 pm"
Message-ID: <200203251150.MAA24418@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>

> Gary Mamon thinks we should spend some time in making propaganda,

Well, you could simply react to what spaceflightnow.com has announced
and just write to them. If they ignore you then, indeed, they are 
probabably biased. :-)

A.M.
 


From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 25 14:23:45 2002
From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:23:45 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <200203251150.MAA24418@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251326200.12243-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl>

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Andrzej Marecki wrote:

> > Gary Mamon thinks we should spend some time in making propaganda,
>
> Well, you could simply react to what spaceflightnow.com has announced
> and just write to them. If they ignore you then, indeed, they are
> probabably biased. :-)
>
> A.M.

Hi Andrzej,
    I agree with the idea of writing to them, but if we're going to
spend time on this sort of thing, then in order to minimise wasted
energy and avoid misunderstandings - or at least have a public record
of media relations - it would be good to have a dedicated mailing list.
There might be very few subscribers, but the important thing is to
have the archive. (I had this sort of idea earlier when Ken Grimes
and Alison Boyle asked about topology, but didn't think the question
would come up again this quickly.)

So... could you please create the following list, with a configuration
similar to the others (no access restrictions):

----------------------------------------------------------------------
name: cosmo-media

purpose (short):
 For openness in interactions between TCfA cosmologists (including
students) and science journalists, either as subscribers or using cc:
copies.

purpose (long):
 This list is for discussions with the media on cosmology research
results.  Suggested usage is to cc: messages to the media to this
list, so that they know that the emails are on the public
record. Science journalists could choose to subscribe to the list, or
else to email to the list as non-subscribers and send confirming
emails each time. Any TCfA cosmology people - including students -
wishing to discuss with the media should feel welcome to use and cc:
to the list.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Any comments, anyone, on the suggested definition of the list?

BTW: I'm confused about your earlier message (but I'm restricting the
thread to cosmo-torun, I don't think it's interesting enough for all
Polish cosmologists ;) ...). On the page:

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0203/22expansion/

there is:

> New evidence: expansion of universe is
> accelerating
> ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY NEWS RELEASE
> Posted: March 22, 2002
>
> A team of UK
> and
...

Seems to me the RAS is responsible for the document.

Cze��
Boud

 


From amr w astro.uni.torun.pl  Mon Mar 25 14:59:28 2002
From: amr w astro.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Marecki)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:59:28 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Another confirmation of the existence of dark energy.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0203251326200.12243-100000@hevelius.astro.uni.torun.pl> from Boud Roukema at "Mar 25, 2002 02:23:45 pm"
Message-ID: <200203251359.OAA25475@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl>

[...]

> So... could you please create the following list, with a configuration
> similar to the others (no access restrictions):

OK, but... tomorrow. ;-)

> BTW: I'm confused about your earlier message (but I'm restricting the
> thread to cosmo-torun, I don't think it's interesting enough for all
> Polish cosmologists ;) ...). On the page:
> 
> http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0203/22expansion/
> 
> there is:
> 
> > New evidence: expansion of universe is
> > accelerating
> > ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY NEWS RELEASE
> > Posted: March 22, 2002
> >
> > A team of UK
> > and
> ...
> 
> Seems to me the RAS is responsible for the document.

Yes, it's on http://www.ras.org.uk/press/pn02-06.htm and this is IMO
absolutely OK (whoever stands behind RAS). This is IMHO *not* making
propaganda - I'm sure that there are members of RAS among those 27 people
listed in the masthead of the MNRAS article so RAS has a right to "be
proud" of them and their publication in RAS's own journal and so RAS has a
right to issue a press release on *their* website. By the same token we
we have a right prepare press releases on ours.

Why spaceflightnow.com reposts RAS PRs? - is a good question.
Would spaceflightnow.com repost TCfA PRs? - is even a better question. :-)

A.

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