[Cosmo-torun] Re: MNRAS - ME1299
Boud Roukema
boud w astro.uni.torun.pl
Wto, 25 Sty 2005, 12:28:06 CET
Dear Dr Hoffman,
Has MNRAS come to any decision following our request?
http://cosmo.torun.pl/pipermail/cosmo-torun/2004-December/000314.html
Best regards,
Boud
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Boud Roukema wrote:
> Dear Dr Hoffman,
>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Elizabeth Hoffman wrote:
>
> > Dear Dr Roukema
> >
> > Regarding your paper ref. ME1299. We have recently discovered that a
> > paper on the same subject, by K. Gorski et al., has been submitted to
> > and accepted by the Astrophysical Journal. A preprint of this paper was
> > posted on astro-ph/0409513 on September 21, some time before your paper
> > was received by Monthly Notices on November 12, but you did not cite
> > this paper in your own. This prior submission must take precedence over
>
> The reason we did not cite that paper is that Gorski et al's new paper
> (astro-ph/0409513) was consequent, not precedent, to our paper, and
> covered essentially the same material. We sent our paper to those
> authors on 8 September 2004 proposing co-authorship.
>
> 8 September 2004 is precedent to 21 September 2004.
>
> > yours, and I regret that we must therefore reject your paper for
> > publication in Monthly Notices. If you consider that your paper contains
> > significant new material beyond that presented in the paper by Gorski et
> > al., then we may be able to consider a significantly revised version,
> > but such a paper would be treated as a new submission.
>
> On 8 September, we invited Gorski et al. to be coauthors of our paper.
> You can verify this either on the public archives of our mailing list:
> http://cosmo.torun.pl/pipermail/cosmo-torun/2004-September/000254.html
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> * xlenka at poczta.fm
> or the HEALPix authors:
> * Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>,
> * Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>,
> * Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>,
> *"Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>
> to check their email archive from 8 September 2004.
>
> While not many of the people listed here are necessarily "neutral",
> the nature of the date and content of the email sent on 8 September
> 2004 consitute an easily falsifiable claim (in the sense of Karl Popper).
>
> Below you will find the email including full header information, but
> the most relevant part of the email is as follows:
>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST)
> > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>
> > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>,
> > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>,
> > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>,
> > "Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>,
> > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > Subject: proposed co-authorship
> >
> > Dear colleagues,
> > Please find attached the draft of a paper of which we invite you to
> > be co-authors. It is felt that the most consensual way to publish this
> > paper would be to include the members of the HEALPix collaboration. We
> > would be most happy to include your names as co-authors, if that is
> > what you wish.
> >
> > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22 September,
> > then we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Boud, Bartek
>
>
> Gorski et al. made the choice of not being co-authors with us, but
> their submission of an article, with a preprint on astro-ph on
> September 21, clearly shows that they submitted their article in full
> knowledge of our work, and they submitted their version one day before
> our deadline in order to "officially" be able to claim publication
> precedence.
>
> Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it> started a constructive
> discussion with us (which ended with his choosing not to be a
> co-author with us); he would probably be someone from "Gorski's group"
> willing to confirm the chronology here.
>
> On 22 September, we submitted our own article to Astronomy & Astrophysics,
> but Astronomy & Astrophysics was unwilling to consider the chronology
> we have mentioned and was unwilling to send the article to a neutral
> referee for peer review, which is why we only submitted to MNRAS several
> weeks later, hoping for a more objective response to our article which
> was precedent to Gorski et al's article.
>
> In our humble opinion, the most constructive solution would be to
> consider this to be simultaneous submission by two groups, with one
> group (us) openly and publicly offering cooperation to the other,
> which failed to respond and instead deliberately published a day
> before our proposed deadline. Maybe you could discuss this with
> Astrophysical Journal editors to find a constructive solution.
>
> It would be appreciated if you could consider the fully chronology
> here.
>
> Best regards,
> Boud Roukema, Bartosz Lew
>
>
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> > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>
> > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>,
> > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>,
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> > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
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> > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl
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> > Dear colleagues,
> > Please find attached the draft of a paper of which we invite you to
> > be co-authors. It is felt that the most consensual way to publish this
> > paper would be to include the members of the HEALPix collaboration. We
> > would be most happy to include your names as co-authors, if that is
> > what you wish.
> >
> > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22 September,
> > then we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Boud, Bartek
>
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