[Cosmo-torun] Re: MNRAS - ME1299
Elizabeth Hoffman
eh w ras.org.uk
Wto, 25 Sty 2005, 15:45:11 CET
Dear Dr Roukema
Thank you for your email regarding ME1299. However we cannot give the
paper further consideration.
Regards
Dr Hoffman
Monthly Notices
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boud Roukema [mailto:boud w astro.uni.torun.pl]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:28 AM
> To: Elizabeth Hoffman
> Cc: cosmo-torun w cosmo.torun.pl
> Subject: Re: [Cosmo-torun] Re: MNRAS - ME1299
>
> Dear Dr Hoffman,
> Has MNRAS come to any decision following our request?
>
> http://cosmo.torun.pl/pipermail/cosmo-torun/2004-December/000314.html
>
> Best regards,
> Boud
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Boud Roukema wrote:
>
> > Dear Dr Hoffman,
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Elizabeth Hoffman wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Dr Roukema
> > >
> > > Regarding your paper ref. ME1299. We have recently
> discovered that
> > > a paper on the same subject, by K. Gorski et al., has
> been submitted
> > > to and accepted by the Astrophysical Journal. A preprint of this
> > > paper was posted on astro-ph/0409513 on September 21, some time
> > > before your paper was received by Monthly Notices on November 12,
> > > but you did not cite this paper in your own. This prior
> submission
> > > must take precedence over
> >
> > The reason we did not cite that paper is that Gorski et
> al's new paper
> > (astro-ph/0409513) was consequent, not precedent, to our paper, and
> > covered essentially the same material. We sent our paper to those
> > authors on 8 September 2004 proposing co-authorship.
> >
> > 8 September 2004 is precedent to 21 September 2004.
> >
> > > yours, and I regret that we must therefore reject your paper for
> > > publication in Monthly Notices. If you consider that your paper
> > > contains significant new material beyond that presented
> in the paper
> > > by Gorski et al., then we may be able to consider a significantly
> > > revised version, but such a paper would be treated as a
> new submission.
> >
> > On 8 September, we invited Gorski et al. to be coauthors of
> our paper.
> > You can verify this either on the public archives of our
> mailing list:
> >
> http://cosmo.torun.pl/pipermail/cosmo-torun/2004-September/000254.html
> > or by asking any of the subscribers to the mailing list:
> >
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> > * amr at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > * bartosz.lew at astri.uni.torun.pl
> > * boud at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > * jarekr at ncac.torun.pl
> > * magda at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > * mhanasz at astri.uni.torun.pl
> > * michalf at ncac.torun.pl
> > * motylek at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > * ssober at phys.uni.torun.pl
> > * tavi at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > * tkato at kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp
> > * xlenka at poczta.fm
> > or the HEALPix authors:
> > * Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>,
> > * Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>,
> > * Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>,
> > *"Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu> to check
> their email
> > archive from 8 September 2004.
> >
> > While not many of the people listed here are necessarily "neutral",
> > the nature of the date and content of the email sent on 8 September
> > 2004 consitute an easily falsifiable claim (in the sense of
> Karl Popper).
> >
> > Below you will find the email including full header
> information, but
> > the most relevant part of the email is as follows:
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST)
> > > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>
> > > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at
> > > astro.uni.torun.pl
> > > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>,
> > > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>,
> > > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>,
> > > "Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>,
> > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > > Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > > Subject: proposed co-authorship
> > >
> > > Dear colleagues,
> > > Please find attached the draft of a paper of which we
> invite you
> > > to be co-authors. It is felt that the most consensual way
> to publish
> > > this paper would be to include the members of the HEALPix
> > > collaboration. We would be most happy to include your names as
> > > co-authors, if that is what you wish.
> > >
> > > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22
> September, then
> > > we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Boud, Bartek
> >
> >
> > Gorski et al. made the choice of not being co-authors with us, but
> > their submission of an article, with a preprint on astro-ph on
> > September 21, clearly shows that they submitted their
> article in full
> > knowledge of our work, and they submitted their version one
> day before
> > our deadline in order to "officially" be able to claim publication
> > precedence.
> >
> > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it> started a constructive
> > discussion with us (which ended with his choosing not to be a
> > co-author with us); he would probably be someone from
> "Gorski's group"
> > willing to confirm the chronology here.
> >
> > On 22 September, we submitted our own article to Astronomy &
> > Astrophysics, but Astronomy & Astrophysics was unwilling to
> consider
> > the chronology we have mentioned and was unwilling to send
> the article
> > to a neutral referee for peer review, which is why we only
> submitted
> > to MNRAS several weeks later, hoping for a more objective
> response to
> > our article which was precedent to Gorski et al's article.
> >
> > In our humble opinion, the most constructive solution would be to
> > consider this to be simultaneous submission by two groups, with one
> > group (us) openly and publicly offering cooperation to the other,
> > which failed to respond and instead deliberately published a day
> > before our proposed deadline. Maybe you could discuss this with
> > Astrophysical Journal editors to find a constructive solution.
> >
> > It would be appreciated if you could consider the fully chronology
> > here.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Boud Roukema, Bartosz Lew
> >
> >
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> > has been removed, but we, or any of the recipients cited above who
> > have kept the email in his/her mailbox, can forward the
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> >
> >
> >
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> > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST)
> > > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>
> > > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at
> > > astro.uni.torun.pl
> > > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>,
> > > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>,
> > > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>,
> > > "Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>,
> > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > > Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>,
> > > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl
> > > Subject: proposed co-authorship
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> > > Dear colleagues,
> > > Please find attached the draft of a paper of which we
> invite you
> > > to be co-authors. It is felt that the most consensual way
> to publish
> > > this paper would be to include the members of the HEALPix
> > > collaboration. We would be most happy to include your names as
> > > co-authors, if that is what you wish.
> > >
> > > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22
> September, then
> > > we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Boud, Bartek
> >
> >
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