From Bartosz.Lew w astri.uni.torun.pl Fri Nov 7 17:44:17 2003 From: Bartosz.Lew w astri.uni.torun.pl (Bartosz Lew) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:44:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: gas question Message-ID: this might be a bit off topic but still interesting... Is it correct that intergalactinc gas, made of relativistic electrons, seen in X-rays by bremstrahlung rediation caused by collisions with DM particles, comes originally from galaxies, where the electrons are accelerated in galactic magnetic fields and SN explosions and then some of them escape the galactic grawitation ? bartek From gam w iap.fr Mon Nov 10 10:32:36 2003 From: gam w iap.fr (Gary Mamon) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:32:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: gas question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bartek, > Is it correct that intergalactinc gas, made of relativistic electrons, > seen in X-rays by bremstrahlung rediation caused by collisions with DM > particles, comes originally from galaxies, where the electrons are > accelerated in galactic magnetic fields and SN explosions and then some of > them escape the galactic grawitation ? The X-ray emission of hot (10^8 K) intracluster gas indeed arises mainly from bremsstrahlung radiation, caused by collisions between charged particles, independent of the existence or not of dark matter. For small groups, half of the emission comes from a multitude of spectral lines. The origin of the gas is not completely clear. The standard idea is that the bulk of the gas (in fraction of mass) is primordial and collapsed with the dark matter when the system components (the groups that later merged into present-day clusters) collapsed. However, the abundance of heavy elements is roughly 1/3 solar in clusters, instead of near-zero predicted if the gas wewre primordial. So, in the standard picture, the gas is polluted by galaxy winds caused by supernovae, and the bulk of the metals (heavy elements) comes from the galaxies, even though the galactic winds contribute little to the mass of the hot intracluster gas. As for the idea of electrons escaping the magnetic field of the galaxy, I don't know. The supernovae idea involves bulk flows of insterstellar gas being shock heated by the supernova explosions (which tend to occur in small regions of galactic space during short time intervals, and thus collectively blow out a wind, which escapes perpendicular to the plane of a spiral galaxy). This hot interstellar gas is mainly consitituted of protons, electrons plus the heavy elements from the supernova remnant. I believe that the electrons are coupled to the protons and other positively charged ions, so that ambipolar diffusion would be too small to explain the hot intracluster gas. Furthermore, with ambipolar diffusion, you would not get positively charged ions of heavy elements, contrary to what is inferred from X-ray spectra. I am not sure that the global galactic magnetic fields are strong enough to prevent the supernova winds from being ejected. cheers Gary From amr w astro.uni.torun.pl Mon Nov 10 11:45:24 2003 From: amr w astro.uni.torun.pl (Andrzej Marecki) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:24 +0100 (MET) Subject: gas question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200311101045.LAA11042@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl> > The origin of the gas is not completely clear. The standard idea is that > the bulk of the gas (in fraction of mass) is primordial and collapsed with > the dark matter when the system components (the groups that later merged > into present-day clusters) collapsed. > > However, the abundance of heavy elements is roughly 1/3 solar in > clusters, instead of near-zero predicted if the gas wewre primordial. > So, in the standard picture, the gas is polluted by galaxy winds caused by > supernovae, and the bulk of the metals (heavy elements) comes from > the galaxies, even though the galactic winds contribute little to the mass > of the hot intracluster gas. Gary, and how about the more "natural" explanation of that pollution with heavy elements. What I mean is that the intracluster gas (partly) comes from... the galaxy collisions. Such collisions are inelastic w.r.t. the gas and so the scenario seems to be the following: 1. The stars "pass through" although, of course, the structure/shape of the galaxies is - as we perfectly know - significantly disturbed. 2. The galactic gas stays "in place" 3. The galactic gas heats up. The net result is the following: 1. Galaxies emerging from collisions are deprived of some gas and since the gas mainly sits in galactic disks they are deprived of disks i.e. the become more and more elliptical. And *this* is what we actually observe! 2. Intracluster gas gets enriched by the galactic gas which in turn - as we perfectly know again - is reprocessed ("polluted") in the ("original") galaxies mainly by SNe. 3. The gas is hot because the kinetic energy of colliding galaxies is converted into the heat. Sounds quite consistent and convincing, n'est ce pas? ;-) Now, please criticise the above scenario, which - in fact - is not mine but I have read it (it must have been a textbook) but don't remember where. :-) Cheers, Andrzej From gam w iap.fr Mon Nov 10 12:45:47 2003 From: gam w iap.fr (Gary Mamon) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:45:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: gas question In-Reply-To: <200311101045.LAA11042@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl> References: <200311101045.LAA11042@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl> Message-ID: Hello Andrzej! >> The origin of the gas is not completely clear. The standard idea is that >> the bulk of the gas (in fraction of mass) is primordial and collapsed with >> the dark matter when the system components (the groups that later merged >> into present-day clusters) collapsed. >> >> However, the abundance of heavy elements is roughly 1/3 solar in >> clusters, instead of near-zero predicted if the gas wewre primordial. >> So, in the standard picture, the gas is polluted by galaxy winds caused by >> supernovae, and the bulk of the metals (heavy elements) comes from >> the galaxies, even though the galactic winds contribute little to the mass >> of the hot intracluster gas. > Gary, and how about the more "natural" explanation of that pollution with > heavy elements. What I mean is that the intracluster gas (partly) comes > from... the galaxy collisions. Such collisions are inelastic w.r.t. the gas > and so the scenario seems to be the following: > > 1. The stars "pass through" although, of course, the structure/shape of the > galaxies is - as we perfectly know - significantly disturbed. > 2. The galactic gas stays "in place" > 3. The galactic gas heats up. > > The net result is the following: > > 1. Galaxies emerging from collisions are deprived of some gas and since the > gas mainly sits in galactic disks they are deprived of disks i.e. the become > more and more elliptical. And *this* is what we actually observe! > > 2. Intracluster gas gets enriched by the galactic gas which in turn - as we > perfectly know again - is reprocessed ("polluted") in the ("original") > galaxies mainly by SNe. > > 3. The gas is hot because the kinetic energy of colliding galaxies is > converted into the heat. Well, the standard picture that I had in mind is very close to yours (Spitzer & Baade 1951 revisited?), except that the collisions do not involve the galaxies as we see them, but the galaxies with their dark matter halos, as well as gas reservoirs originally attached to these halos. The other difference is that when two of these halos merge (and they do so more often than the visible parts of galaxies, because the halo cross-section is naturally much larger than that of the visible galaxies), the hot gas (and dark matter) becomes common to both galaxies. With subsequent halo merging, you build a group ... then a cluster. The gas reservoirs are shock heated during halo collisions, and the temperatures found with X-ray spectra are consistent with the velocity dispersions of the groups and clusters (i.e. the ratio called beta_spec between orbital kinetic and thermal energies is close to unity). This idea rests upon the assumption (that I have not verified) that most of the gas connected to spiral galaxies lies outside of the visible (optical) disk, and perhaps outside of the HI disk (since the gas reservoir is expected to have a spheroidal shape similar to that of the dark matter). The mass of gas in this spheroidal reservoir should be equal to the universal baryonic fraction (set by, e.g., WMAP) times the mass within the virial radius minus the mass in stars and in disk gas, and one should compare this to the mass in disk gas. Another cute idea (Larson, Tinsley & Caldwell 1980; Whitmore, Gilmore & Jones 92?) is that, in clusters, the gas reservoirs are tidally stripped before they can begin to cool and settle into a cold disk to form stars, and Whitmore et al. have shown that the amount of X-ray gas corresponds to the mass of these tidally stripped reservoirs. My criticism of that idea is that clusters are built from the mergers of smaller groups of galaxies, themselves built from the mergers of single galaxies, for which the tidal effects should be small, while the shock heating of the colliding gas reservoirs is inevitable. best regards Gary From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl Thu Nov 20 17:51:21 2003 From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:51:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: cfitsio on christo Message-ID: Hi Krzyszek, i'm having problems using the cfitsio library on christo. Would you be able to install it on christo etc please? This is so that the Shape of The Universe monograph class: http://adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Cosmo/MonographCosmo can work on some cosmology software. i tried the version installed (as user) by Andrzej Marecki, but i had problems with compiling the header files (1) printerror.c is a program unit which compiles OK on adjani gcc -D__USE_FIXED_PROTOTYPES__ -Wall -c -o printerror.o printerror.c printerror.c:14: fitsio.h: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu i tried gcc -D__USE_FIXED_PROTOTYPES__ -Wall -c -o printerror.o printerror.c -I/home2/boud/include where i have a copy of /home2/amr/cwicz/fitsio/cfitsio.h renamed to fitsio.h since /home2/amr/cwicz/fitsio/fitsio.h is a header file for iraf, not for C. This gives In file included from /home2/boud/include/fitsio.h:227, from printerror.c:14: /home2/boud/include/cfortran.h:115: parse error before `?' printerror.c:28: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `exit' printerror.c:28: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration printerror.c:28: conflicting types for `exit' /usr/include/stdlib.h:520: previous declaration of `exit' printerror.c:28: warning: data definition has no type or storage class printerror.c:29: parse error before `}' (2) i tried compiling the package myself Version 2.470 - 18 August 2003 http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/software/fitsio/fitsio.html but had problems with included header files like (seems to be a general problem on christo) which are not found automatically: ./configure loading cache ./config.cache checking for uname... (cached) 1 checking for cc... (cached) cc checking for gcc... (cached) cc checking whether the C compiler (cc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (cc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking for f77... (cached) f77 checking whether we are using GNU Fortran... yes cfitsio: == Adding wrapper support for GNU Fortran... done checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) cc -E checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes checking for string.h... (cached) yes checking for math.h... (cached) yes checking for limits.h... no *********** WARNING: CFITSIO CONFIGURE FAILURE ************ cfitsio: ANSI C environment NOT found. Aborting cfitsio configure. cfitsio: You're missing a needed ANSI header file. cfitsio: You need an ANSI C compiler and all ANSI trappings cfitsio: to build cfitsio. ******************************************************* Even when i add this in manually, i just get more similar problems... So it might be easier if this is installed by someone who knows the system. thanks boud From boud w astro.uni.torun.pl Mon Nov 24 15:52:40 2003 From: boud w astro.uni.torun.pl (Boud Roukema) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:52:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: Omega_matter = 1 (was Re: gas question) In-Reply-To: References: <200311101045.LAA11042@galileo.astro.uni.torun.pl> Message-ID: Witam, "Burbidge/Hoyle/Narlikar Reloaded" According to Vauclair, Blanchard et al., the physics of gas in galaxy clusters is either: - in error by a factor of (1+z) in the standard M-T relation (Mass-Temperature) - correct and 0.85 \ltapprox Omega_matter \ltapprox 1.0 Factors of (1+z) are easy to get wrong if you do things a little too quickly and your intuition and the formulae don't quite match... Could it be that this is simply an (1+z) error that got propagated in the cluster community and noone so far has spotted where the error is? This would make a nice quick, short paper if anyone can find the error (and be sure of it)... pozd boud http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0311381 On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Gary Mamon wrote: > Hello Andrzej! > > >> The origin of the gas is not completely clear. The standard idea is that > >> the bulk of the gas (in fraction of mass) is primordial and collapsed with > >> the dark matter when the system components (the groups that later merged > >> into present-day clusters) collapsed. > >> > >> However, the abundance of heavy elements is roughly 1/3 solar in > >> clusters, instead of near-zero predicted if the gas wewre primordial. > >> So, in the standard picture, the gas is polluted by galaxy winds caused by > >> supernovae, and the bulk of the metals (heavy elements) comes from > >> the galaxies, even though the galactic winds contribute little to the mass > >> of the hot intracluster gas. > > > Gary, and how about the more "natural" explanation of that pollution with > > heavy elements. What I mean is that the intracluster gas (partly) comes > > from... the galaxy collisions. Such collisions are inelastic w.r.t. the gas > > and so the scenario seems to be the following: > > > > 1. The stars "pass through" although, of course, the structure/shape of the > > galaxies is - as we perfectly know - significantly disturbed. > > 2. The galactic gas stays "in place" > > 3. The galactic gas heats up. > > > > The net result is the following: > > > > 1. Galaxies emerging from collisions are deprived of some gas and since the > > gas mainly sits in galactic disks they are deprived of disks i.e. the become > > more and more elliptical. And *this* is what we actually observe! > > > > 2. Intracluster gas gets enriched by the galactic gas which in turn - as we > > perfectly know again - is reprocessed ("polluted") in the ("original") > > galaxies mainly by SNe. > > > > 3. The gas is hot because the kinetic energy of colliding galaxies is > > converted into the heat. > > Well, the standard picture that I had in mind is very close to yours (Spitzer > & Baade 1951 revisited?), except that the collisions do not involve the > galaxies as we see them, but the galaxies with their dark matter halos, as > well as gas reservoirs originally attached to these halos. The other > difference is that when two of these halos merge (and they do so more often > than the visible parts of galaxies, because the halo cross-section is > naturally much larger than that of the visible galaxies), the hot gas (and > dark matter) becomes common to both galaxies. With subsequent halo merging, > you build a group ... then a cluster. > > The gas reservoirs are shock heated during halo collisions, and the > temperatures found with X-ray spectra are consistent with the velocity > dispersions of the groups and clusters (i.e. the ratio called beta_spec > between orbital kinetic and thermal energies is close to unity). > > This idea rests upon the assumption (that I have not verified) that most of > the gas connected to spiral galaxies lies outside of the visible (optical) > disk, and perhaps outside of the HI disk (since the gas reservoir is expected > to have a spheroidal shape similar to that of the dark matter). The mass of > gas in this spheroidal reservoir should be equal to the universal baryonic > fraction (set by, e.g., WMAP) times the mass within the virial radius minus > the mass in stars and in disk gas, and one should compare this to the mass in > disk gas. > > Another cute idea (Larson, Tinsley & Caldwell 1980; Whitmore, Gilmore & > Jones 92?) is that, in clusters, the gas reservoirs are tidally stripped > before they can begin to cool and settle into a cold disk to form stars, > and Whitmore et al. have shown that the amount of X-ray gas corresponds to > the mass of these tidally stripped reservoirs. My criticism of that idea > is that clusters are built from the mergers of smaller groups of galaxies, > themselves built from the mergers of single galaxies, for which the tidal > effects should be small, while the shock heating of the colliding gas > reservoirs is inevitable. > > best regards > > Gary > From Bartosz.Lew w astri.uni.torun.pl Tue Nov 25 16:23:03 2003 From: Bartosz.Lew w astri.uni.torun.pl (Bartosz Lew) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:23:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: a new plaything for cosmology Message-ID: enjoy :) http://adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl/~blew/praca/calc/index.html any comments, bugs-finds, etc appreciated. pozdrawiam, bart