Cosmo-torun January 2005

cosmo-torun@cosmo.torun.pl

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CMB person - few days visit, nov/dev/jan - Jacques Delabrouille
by Boud Roukema 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Witam, Jacques Delabrouille is likely to come to TCfA for a visit of a few days sometime during the next few months. He's a CMB cosmologist from Paris (College de France). You can see the CMB stuff he does here: http://de.arxiv.org/find/astro-ph/1/delabrouille/0/1/0/all/3/0 You can email him directly at delabrouille at cdf.in2p3.fr pozdr boud

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RE: [Cosmo-torun] Re: MNRAS - ME1299
by Elizabeth Hoffman 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Dear Dr Roukema Thank you for your email regarding ME1299. However we cannot give the paper further consideration. Regards Dr Hoffman Monthly Notices > -----Original Message----- > From: Boud Roukema [mailto:boud@astro.uni.torun.pl] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:28 AM > To: Elizabeth Hoffman > Cc: cosmo-torun(a)cosmo.torun.pl > Subject: Re: [Cosmo-torun] Re: MNRAS - ME1299 > > Dear Dr Hoffman, > Has MNRAS come to any decision following our request? > > http://cosmo.torun.pl/pipermail/cosmo-torun/2004-December/000314.html > > Best regards, > Boud > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Boud Roukema wrote: > > > Dear Dr Hoffman, > > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Elizabeth Hoffman wrote: > > > > > Dear Dr Roukema > > > > > > Regarding your paper ref. ME1299. We have recently > discovered that > > > a paper on the same subject, by K. Gorski et al., has > been submitted > > > to and accepted by the Astrophysical Journal. A preprint of this > > > paper was posted on astro-ph/0409513 on September 21, some time > > > before your paper was received by Monthly Notices on November 12, > > > but you did not cite this paper in your own. This prior > submission > > > must take precedence over > > > > The reason we did not cite that paper is that Gorski et > al's new paper > > (astro-ph/0409513) was consequent, not precedent, to our paper, and > > covered essentially the same material. We sent our paper to those > > authors on 8 September 2004 proposing co-authorship. > > > > 8 September 2004 is precedent to 21 September 2004. > > > > > yours, and I regret that we must therefore reject your paper for > > > publication in Monthly Notices. If you consider that your paper > > > contains significant new material beyond that presented > in the paper > > > by Gorski et al., then we may be able to consider a significantly > > > revised version, but such a paper would be treated as a > new submission. > > > > On 8 September, we invited Gorski et al. to be coauthors of > our paper. > > You can verify this either on the public archives of our > mailing list: > > > http://cosmo.torun.pl/pipermail/cosmo-torun/2004-September/000254.html > > or by asking any of the subscribers to the mailing list: > > > > [Note: replace " at " by "@" - this is anti-spam-robot protection > > throughout this email.] > > * amr at astro.uni.torun.pl > > * bartosz.lew at astri.uni.torun.pl > > * boud at astro.uni.torun.pl > > * jarekr at ncac.torun.pl > > * magda at astro.uni.torun.pl > > * mhanasz at astri.uni.torun.pl > > * michalf at ncac.torun.pl > > * motylek at astro.uni.torun.pl > > * ssober at phys.uni.torun.pl > > * tavi at astro.uni.torun.pl > > * tkato at kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp > > * xlenka at poczta.fm > > or the HEALPix authors: > > * Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>, > > * Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>, > > * Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>, > > *"Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu> to check > their email > > archive from 8 September 2004. > > > > While not many of the people listed here are necessarily "neutral", > > the nature of the date and content of the email sent on 8 September > > 2004 consitute an easily falsifiable claim (in the sense of > Karl Popper). > > > > Below you will find the email including full header > information, but > > the most relevant part of the email is as follows: > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > > > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl> > > > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at > > > astro.uni.torun.pl > > > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>, > > > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>, > > > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>, > > > "Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>, > > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > > > Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > > > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl > > > Subject: proposed co-authorship > > > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > Please find attached the draft of a paper of which we > invite you > > > to be co-authors. It is felt that the most consensual way > to publish > > > this paper would be to include the members of the HEALPix > > > collaboration. We would be most happy to include your names as > > > co-authors, if that is what you wish. > > > > > > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22 > September, then > > > we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Boud, Bartek > > > > > > Gorski et al. made the choice of not being co-authors with us, but > > their submission of an article, with a preprint on astro-ph on > > September 21, clearly shows that they submitted their > article in full > > knowledge of our work, and they submitted their version one > day before > > our deadline in order to "officially" be able to claim publication > > precedence. > > > > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it> started a constructive > > discussion with us (which ended with his choosing not to be a > > co-author with us); he would probably be someone from > "Gorski's group" > > willing to confirm the chronology here. > > > > On 22 September, we submitted our own article to Astronomy & > > Astrophysics, but Astronomy & Astrophysics was unwilling to > consider > > the chronology we have mentioned and was unwilling to send > the article > > to a neutral referee for peer review, which is why we only > submitted > > to MNRAS several weeks later, hoping for a more objective > response to > > our article which was precedent to Gorski et al's article. > > > > In our humble opinion, the most constructive solution would be to > > consider this to be simultaneous submission by two groups, with one > > group (us) openly and publicly offering cooperation to the other, > > which failed to respond and instead deliberately published a day > > before our proposed deadline. Maybe you could discuss this with > > Astrophysical Journal editors to find a constructive solution. > > > > It would be appreciated if you could consider the fully chronology > > here. > > > > Best regards, > > Boud Roukema, Bartosz Lew > > > > > > Enclosed (text) (to avoid filling your mailbox, the MIME attachment > > has been removed, but we, or any of the recipients cited above who > > have kept the email in his/her mailbox, can forward the > full email to > > you including the MIME attachment if you wish): > > [Note: "@" is replaced by " at " - this is anti-spam-robot > protection > > throughout this email.] > > > > > > > > > From cosmo-torun-owner at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl Wed Sep 8 > > > 15:26:00 2004 > > > Return-Path: <cosmo-torun-owner at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > > > Delivered-To: boud at adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl > > > Received: from newton.astro.uni.torun.pl > (newton.astro.uni.torun.pl [158.75.6.7]) > > > by adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674A82FC92 > > > for <boud at adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl>; Wed, 8 Sep > 2004 15:26:00 > > > +0200 (CEST) > > > Received: from newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (sympa at > localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > > by newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP > id i88DGZsX026233; > > > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:16:36 +0200 (MET DST) > > > Received: by newton.astro.uni.torun.pl > (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i88DGXCb026231; > > > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:16:33 +0200 (MET DST) > > > X-Authentication-Warning: newton.astro.uni.torun.pl: sympa set > > > sender to cosmo-torun-owner at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl using -f > > > Received: from adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl > (adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl [158.75.6.40]) > > > by newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP > id i88DFOsX026212; > > > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:15:24 +0200 (MET DST) > > > Received: by adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl (Postfix, from userid 1000) > > > id BB9DD2FC93; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > > > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > > by adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP > > > id A1A6A2FC92; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > > > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl> > > > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at > > > astro.uni.torun.pl > > > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>, > > > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>, > > > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>, > > > "Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>, > > > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > > > Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > > > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl > > > Subject: proposed co-authorship > > > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0409081520170.855 at > > > adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl> > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; > BOUNDARY="1268656134-1928451780-1094649867=:855" > > > X-Loop: cosmo-torun at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl > > > X-Sequence: 274 > > > Precedence: list > > > X-no-archive: yes > > > List-Id: <cosmo-torun at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > > > List-Help: <mailto:sympa at > newton.astro.uni.torun.pl?subject=help> > > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa at > > > newton.astro.uni.torun.pl?subject=subscribe%20cosmo-torun> > > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa at > > > newton.astro.uni.torun.pl?subject=unsubscribe%20cosmo-torun> > > > List-Post: <mailto:cosmo-torun at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > > > List-Owner: <mailto:cosmo-torun-request at > > > newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > > > List-Archive: > <http://www.astro.uni.torun.pl/sympa/arc/cosmo-torun> > > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.7 required=5.0 > > > tests=MIME_NULL_BLOCK,CBYI,RCVD_IN_ORBS version=2.20 > > > X-Spam-Level: *** > > > Status: RO > > > X-Status: > > > X-Keywords: > > > X-UID: 68 > > > > > > This message is in MIME format. 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We would be most happy to include your names as > > > co-authors, if that is what you wish. > > > > > > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22 > September, then > > > we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Boud, Bartek > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cosmo-torun mailing list > > Cosmo-torun(a)cosmo.torun.pl > > http://cosmo.torun.pl/mailman/listinfo/cosmo-torun > > >

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Re: MNRAS - ME1299
by Boud Roukema 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Dear Dr Hoffman, On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Elizabeth Hoffman wrote: > Dear Dr Roukema > > Regarding your paper ref. ME1299. We have recently discovered that a > paper on the same subject, by K. Gorski et al., has been submitted to > and accepted by the Astrophysical Journal. A preprint of this paper was > posted on astro-ph/0409513 on September 21, some time before your paper > was received by Monthly Notices on November 12, but you did not cite > this paper in your own. This prior submission must take precedence over The reason we did not cite that paper is that Gorski et al's new paper (astro-ph/0409513) was consequent, not precedent, to our paper, and covered essentially the same material. We sent our paper to those authors on 8 September 2004 proposing co-authorship. 8 September 2004 is precedent to 21 September 2004. > yours, and I regret that we must therefore reject your paper for > publication in Monthly Notices. If you consider that your paper contains > significant new material beyond that presented in the paper by Gorski et > al., then we may be able to consider a significantly revised version, > but such a paper would be treated as a new submission. On 8 September, we invited Gorski et al. to be coauthors of our paper. You can verify this either on the public archives of our mailing list: http://cosmo.torun.pl/pipermail/cosmo-torun/2004-September/000254.html or by asking any of the subscribers to the mailing list: [Note: replace " at " by "@" - this is anti-spam-robot protection throughout this email.] * amr at astro.uni.torun.pl * bartosz.lew at astri.uni.torun.pl * boud at astro.uni.torun.pl * jarekr at ncac.torun.pl * magda at astro.uni.torun.pl * mhanasz at astri.uni.torun.pl * michalf at ncac.torun.pl * motylek at astro.uni.torun.pl * ssober at phys.uni.torun.pl * tavi at astro.uni.torun.pl * tkato at kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp * xlenka at poczta.fm or the HEALPix authors: * Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>, * Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>, * Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>, *"Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu> to check their email archive from 8 September 2004. While not many of the people listed here are necessarily "neutral", the nature of the date and content of the email sent on 8 September 2004 consitute an easily falsifiable claim (in the sense of Karl Popper). Below you will find the email including full header information, but the most relevant part of the email is as follows: > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl> > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>, > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>, > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>, > "Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>, > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl > Subject: proposed co-authorship > > Dear colleagues, > Please find attached the draft of a paper of which we invite you to > be co-authors. It is felt that the most consensual way to publish this > paper would be to include the members of the HEALPix collaboration. We > would be most happy to include your names as co-authors, if that is > what you wish. > > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22 September, > then we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors. > > Regards, > Boud, Bartek Gorski et al. made the choice of not being co-authors with us, but their submission of an article, with a preprint on astro-ph on September 21, clearly shows that they submitted their article in full knowledge of our work, and they submitted their version one day before our deadline in order to "officially" be able to claim publication precedence. Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it> started a constructive discussion with us (which ended with his choosing not to be a co-author with us); he would probably be someone from "Gorski's group" willing to confirm the chronology here. On 22 September, we submitted our own article to Astronomy & Astrophysics, but Astronomy & Astrophysics was unwilling to consider the chronology we have mentioned and was unwilling to send the article to a neutral referee for peer review, which is why we only submitted to MNRAS several weeks later, hoping for a more objective response to our article which was precedent to Gorski et al's article. In our humble opinion, the most constructive solution would be to consider this to be simultaneous submission by two groups, with one group (us) openly and publicly offering cooperation to the other, which failed to respond and instead deliberately published a day before our proposed deadline. Maybe you could discuss this with Astrophysical Journal editors to find a constructive solution. It would be appreciated if you could consider the fully chronology here. Best regards, Boud Roukema, Bartosz Lew Enclosed (text) (to avoid filling your mailbox, the MIME attachment has been removed, but we, or any of the recipients cited above who have kept the email in his/her mailbox, can forward the full email to you including the MIME attachment if you wish): [Note: "@" is replaced by " at " - this is anti-spam-robot protection throughout this email.] > From cosmo-torun-owner at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl Wed Sep 8 15:26:00 2004 > Return-Path: <cosmo-torun-owner at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > Delivered-To: boud at adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl > Received: from newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (newton.astro.uni.torun.pl [158.75.6.7]) > by adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674A82FC92 > for <boud at adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl>; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:26:00 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (sympa at localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i88DGZsX026233; > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:16:36 +0200 (MET DST) > Received: by newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i88DGXCb026231; > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:16:33 +0200 (MET DST) > X-Authentication-Warning: newton.astro.uni.torun.pl: sympa set sender to cosmo-torun-owner at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl using -f > Received: from adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl (adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl [158.75.6.40]) > by newton.astro.uni.torun.pl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i88DFOsX026212; > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:15:24 +0200 (MET DST) > Received: by adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl (Postfix, from userid 1000) > id BB9DD2FC93; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP > id A1A6A2FC92; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > From: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl> > Reply-To: Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl > To: Krzysztof Gorski <Krzysztof.M.Gorski at jpl.nasa.gov>, > Eric Hivon <efh at ipac.caltech.edu>, > Frode Hansen <Frode.Hansen at roma2.infn.it>, > "Benjamin D. Wandelt" <bwandelt at uiuc.edu>, > Bartek Lew <blew at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > Boud Roukema <boud at astro.uni.torun.pl>, > cosmo-torun at astro.uni.torun.pl > Subject: proposed co-authorship > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0409081520170.855 at adjani.astro.uni.torun.pl> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1268656134-1928451780-1094649867=:855" > X-Loop: cosmo-torun at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl > X-Sequence: 274 > Precedence: list > X-no-archive: yes > List-Id: <cosmo-torun at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > List-Help: <mailto:sympa at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl?subject=subscribe%20cosmo-torun> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:sympa at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl?subject=unsubscribe%20cosmo-torun> > List-Post: <mailto:cosmo-torun at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > List-Owner: <mailto:cosmo-torun-request at newton.astro.uni.torun.pl> > List-Archive: <http://www.astro.uni.torun.pl/sympa/arc/cosmo-torun> > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.7 required=5.0 tests=MIME_NULL_BLOCK,CBYI,RCVD_IN_ORBS version=2.20 > X-Spam-Level: *** > Status: RO > X-Status: > X-Keywords: > X-UID: 68 > > This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, > while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. > Send mail to mime at docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. > > --1268656134-1928451780-1094649867=:855 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Dear colleagues, > Please find attached the draft of a paper of which we invite you to > be co-authors. It is felt that the most consensual way to publish this > paper would be to include the members of the HEALPix collaboration. We > would be most happy to include your names as co-authors, if that is > what you wish. > > However, if we hear nothing from you by Wednesday 22 September, > then we will assume that you do not wish to be co-authors. > > Regards, > Boud, Bartek

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grant KBN deadline UMK wtorek 25.01 ?
by Boud Roukema 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

Witam, Circus time again! It seems to me that the KBN deadline is Tuesday 25.01 for sending to the rectorat. Do we try for a common grant proposal? Or separate ones once again? We have a cosmic topology result + other cosmic topology papers which make the case for cosmic topology fairly strong, IMHO, and this includes the topology-AGN connection. Time is getting short, so i'll assume by default we make separate proposals as we tried last year (unsuccessfully). Hmmm, in the last round, there were three cosmo applications that succeeeded: http://www.astrouw.edu.pl/~kst/konkursy.html Demianski 200.000 zl Juszkiewicz 411.000 zl Lokas 102.000 zl If we fail again, then IMHO it will be time to activate cosmo-pl@..., this is a community problem and will require a community solution if it remains unsolved... pozdr boud

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